we don't have a medicare problem. we have a healthcare cost problem. there is no competition in the healthcare market place right now. >> stephanie: right. >> okay. and people make money in the healthcare industry when prices go up. >> right. >> corporations make money when prices go up. we're talking about medical device manufacturers, drug companies, health insurance companies, they all make money the higher the prices are. they have no incentive to work for the public good. their incent sieve to make money for shareholders. higher prices in the healthcare market in general are a good thing for them. >> stephanie: right. you were pointing out we're forced -- because the baseline is fraudulently high. >> you hear a lot that medicare underpays. it is not that medicare underpays, it is that we have this faulty baseline that's too high. medicare's rates are actually reasonable but we've created this fake market place where the baseline is so expensive that we, as a nation, are overpaying and we don't negotiate the way other countries do. so we're essenti